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  2. Steven Hutson

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Likewise, my answer. I just disagree with your premise. .
  3. Sibermom65

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    I'm not sure why you are suggesting I was less than smart or was dissatisfied with the route I chose. I chose to go with self-publishing because of the narrow niche I was targeting and because I needed a maximum return for books sold, as it is distributed as a fundraiser for church groups. I saw Ingram Spark as a printer, rather than a publisher, and I was please with their work. My question revolves around helping other wannabees steer clear of Vanity presses if they decide to go the self-publishing route themselves.
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  5. Steven Hutson

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Nope. Nothing in it for me.
  6. Accord64

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Which begs the question: Do you steer your clients to vanity publishers?
  7. Steven Hutson

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Your choice. I don't understand. If they produced it, then yes they own it. .
  8. Steven Hutson

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Oh, where do I start? 1- a publisher who's raved about their book idea but is asking for a 'contribution towards the cost of publishing the book'. Such a company is not a publisher. They're a print shop. Which is neither good nor bad, but that's what it is. 2- Vanity publishers are cunning. They know many authors will be worn down by rejection. They know the elation authors will feel to finally receive a glowing report about their manuscript. Ummm...of course. Repeated rejection is a perfectly legitimate reason to go self-pub. OF COURSE the companies fish in that pond. 3- they won't offer any help marketing or distributing the book. Nor do they pretend otherwise. This is a choice you make. 4- The vanity publisher isn't interested in selling copies of the book, it doesn't need to Which can easily be determined in about five seconds, from their website. 5- Consequently, vanity publishers have no relationships with bookshops, Nor do they claim such. They exist to provide services to writers, not to sell books to consumers. It's all right there on their website. 6- Proper self-publishing companies offer the author a whole range of services from editing to jacket design to distribution. Nah. A proper company in any field, makes promises in writing and keeps those promises. It's up to you, to determine which services you need. 7- as their sophistication grows so does their influence to sell their books to the bookshops. Truth? Any bookstore can order any book from any vendor. But the sales terms that the self-pub vendors offer to stores, are terrible. The stores have to pay more, pay cash up-front (no credit), and the books are not returnable. 8- A high-quality self-published book shows the author is ambitious, organised and serious. But it doesn't say whether the author has decent platform. 9- If the book has decent enough sales figures to prove a market exists, traditional publishers are quite likely to sit up and take notice. Who are these publishers? Does anyone know?
  9. carolinamtne

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    The problem may not lie with the press, but, from what I understand, vanity presses charge an arm and a leg to get you book printed and out there, and they keep the ISBN and the cover file and whatever. I know from personal experience that vanity press will hound you to print your book, even after you have told them you are not interested in publishing with them. I had frequent calls for nearly a year, and they had not even seen my book.
  10. carolinamtne

    Amazon And Spine Issue Resolved

    Cookies just out of the oven.
  11. Steven Hutson

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    Does anyone know how it was that the name "vanity" entered the parlance? Up until just a few years ago, "vanity" publishing meant that the author released a book to fulfill his ego, or "vanity," It meant that in his haste, he did a sloppy job without any experienced help for writing, editing, or art. Such books were predictably lousy and sold in tiny numbers. In other words, the term "vanity" was about the un-professionalism of the author. But somehow, in the past ten years or so, the term "vanity" got applied to the vendors. With the rise of computer technology, of course, self-pub has become much easier and requires much less cash investment up-front. This means that we now have a lot more people self-pub'ing their books, all by themselves with no professional help. But now, somehow, we've begun to blame the vendors when things don't go well. We call them "vanity presses," when in fact the problem is not with the vendor. The problem lies with the writer. If you're half as smart as you claim to be, why did you choose this particular path? The Internet is filled with thousands of complaints from unhappy customers from companies X, Y, and Z; why would you now ignore all of that advice, and then feign surprise when something goes wrong? Something dishonest is afoot here. I have here on my desk, the standard contracts for every self-pub company out there. They all say pretty much the same thing: "We will print your book, convert it into an ebook, and make both versions available online." That's about it, unless you opt for the Gold Package. In which case, you voluntarily pay the quoted fee. Then the book is released, and you're disappointed in the cover art (which you approved). The lack of editing (which they never promised). The lack of sales (because you didn't do any marketing). They did everything promised, while you sat back and played video games. You didn't learn to write, or get editing, or build a platform, or go out on a speaking tour. Yet it's someone else's fault when the book fails. I don't get it.
  12. EBraten

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    A couple of interesting articles: https://www.writersandartists.co.uk/writers/advice/255/self-publishing/considering-self-publishing/self-publishing-vs-vanity-publishing-confused https://www.writersandartists.co.uk/writers/advice/256/self-publishing/considering-self-publishing/have-you-considered-self-publishing
  13. jhcampbellsr

    Hi Everybody!

    Army and in Maryland, thanks for the welcome!
  14. Sibermom65

    Hi Everybody!

    Welcome from one WriMo to another! Where are you stationed? What branch of service?
  15. Sibermom65

    Self-published Vs Vanity

    I'm part of a presentation coming up at our library next week. During the Q and A, I'm rather expecting people to ask about publishing their books. I want to be able to discuss the different types of publishing to include "traditional" and self publishing. But what might distinguishing features be between self publishing and vanity presses? When I used Ingram Spark, I was responsible for the editing formatting, and cover design. I paid up front for the printing and must do the marketing myself. They do not select which books will be printed based on quality or marketability. How is that different from Vanity presses?
  16. TDDracken

    Guide To Speaking Rhode Island

    Strange dialects. oO; Where I grew up in Texas was pretty simple. Words were largely pronounced 'properly' but with a drawl. Ya'll was the most common dialect word. It's just more efficient when you aren't rushed in talking. And no, it wasn't that slow. Just easy going and unrushed. My drawl got some laughs when I was taking Spanish in high school. A faster language and I couldn't shake the laid back style.
  17. Alley

    Amazon And Spine Issue Resolved

    Coolscribe don't be too quick to decide, the "proof" copy was the only one with a spine problem, when I ordered a batch they were excellent, and my Amazon, Barnes and Noble issues were fixed within a week. Just sayin. I have never heard of everything going perfectly. At least not yet. There will be some hiccups along the way, and we have to leave some wiggle room in the schedule for the unseen things. Kind of like life will have its moments. We leave for work early in case we get a flat on the way. It does not happen every day, but it happens.
  18. SEHatfield

    Amazon And Spine Issue Resolved

    Coolscribe don't be too quick to decide, the "proof" copy was the only one with a spine problem, when I ordered a batch they were excellent, and my Amazon, Barnes and Noble issues were fixed within a week. Just sayin.
  19. lynnmosher

    New Book

    Roy, I'm sorry but we do not allow publication plugs in this forum. I would move this to Publishing Credits for you but there is no link. If you would like to post this in Publishing Credits, you are welcome to. I will be removing this thread shortly. Also, I hope you'll hop over to Meet and Greet and introduce yourself so everyone will know you are here and can welcome you.
  20. Coolscribe

    WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION AND HOPE?

    Dear @jonjovi, Apologies for my belated response! As you will now have guessed I have not been active at all here at CW for months and I'm ashamed to see that your comment has been languishing here without a response since January. (smacked wrist in process 😞 ) Thank you for reading and thank you for sharing your thoughts in response, which is much appreciated, despite being so late! Best wishes, Carol
  21. Coolscribe

    Amazon And Spine Issue Resolved

    Whoo Hoo! Excellent. Pleased for you @SEHatfield. It's really strange because just before I read about the disappointing error, I was thinking of printing/publishing through Ingram Sparks but after reading about what had happened to you I decided to switch back to my original plan of having it printed elsewhere. Thanks for the update. You must be over the moon. 🙂 I think this calls for another cookie celebration - don't you? Or am I pushing my luck? 😁
  22. Coolscribe

    A Useful Way To Use Twitter

    Thanks @Nicola. Appreciated this as I am not very good at using social media and indeed have been neglecting my twitter account on and off for long periods.
  23. euggio

    Thank You For Welcoming Me

    Thanks @Claire Tucker and @Alley.
  24. euggio

    Calling Independent Self-published Authors

    That's exactly how I took it for. I think "well-documented predator," to quote @Accord64 should be flagged here. 😀 Maybe I should calm down here for my first day 🔥🌊
  25. lynnmosher

    Calling Independent Self-published Authors

    Unfortunately, there are too many red flags of complaint after complaint and they are listed on many sites as a stay-away-from. As Accord said...a well-documented predator. And they do not hold up their end. And that wasn't a command. It was a warning.
  26. Alley

    Thank You For Welcoming Me

    Welcome. It's nice to meet you!
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